tv Morning Joe MSNBC October 12, 2009 6:00am-9:00am EDT
in a surprise decision, president obama won the 2009 nobel peace prize friday. in other premature awards this week, high school football player billy reynolds has been named this year's heisman trophy winner. fifth grader amber collins has been named miss america. and 9-year-old dylan holt has been named "people's" sexiest man alive. >> that's pretty funny. >> that was cute. >> i guess so. they're working it. they're trying to find a way to joke about president obama. >> and they're succeeding. not his fault necessarily. >> they've got the goods now. kind of awkward. welcome to "morning joe." i'm mika brzezinski.
"fortune" magazine is here. i can't wait to talk about the magazine cover. that's a good one. happy columbus day. willie geist is scampering in from his little show at 5:30. and pat buchanan joins us live from washington. >> good morning, mika. happy indigenous people's day. >> that's one way of looking at it. so it is a little awkward. a lot of different options being put on the table for afghanistan. this is a war the president wants to win or have his success or achieve his goals in while he receives a peace prize. a little awkward. >> unusual, to say the least. >> unusual. there's some great op eds that flew around over the weekend, including an incredibly loquacious article by christopher higgins, which i could have said in three wors. also, rush limbaugh. jamie has a piece on rush
limbaugh, she did an exclusive interview with him. fascinating. we're going to run that in our show today. i think in our next hour. this is a "today" show exclusive. and the white house versus fox news? what's the dynamic there? we'll talk about that. some interesting things tossed around over the weekend. and i'm a little depresseded this morning. >> why is that? >> well, the red sox. >> oh, well. time to root for the angels, i guess. >> i'm very sad. >> just raise your flag. >> i was rooting for the red sox. >> then it always ends badly. you guys should just be accepting. >> no, i'm not accepting. i will keep rooting for the red sox because i love them and i'm loyal. >> then there's this team, the team here in new york city. >> cocky. >> three out, three and up and get the broom. >> go charge people really high prices for your tickets. okay. we're going to get to those top
talkers. by the way, we have david ignatius on the show, christopher hitchens, if he'll still speak to me, and daddy is coming on the show today. >> all in the family. >> time for a look at top stories. a top u.s. official in afghanistan is acknowledging widespread fraud in august's presidential elections while denying allegations he tried to cover it up. with karzai still in power, a panel is deciding this week whether to recommend a run-off election. it comes as the white house considers general mcchrystal's request for 40,000 additional u.s. forces put into the country. members of congress meanwhile are debating strategy and timelines. >> i think the great danger now is not an american pullout. i think the great danger now is a half measure. it's sort of a -- you know, try to please all ends of the political spectrum. i think he needs to use deliberate speed, and i think he needs to adopt a strategy which
he has basically articulated last march and before. >> my question is about timeline. we have been there for more than eight years, and the situation is deterioratindeteriorating. senator levin, why isn't it appropriate, as democrats did with iraq, to say here and now there should be a timeline for how long we're there? >> there should be milestones for success obviously. >> a deadline for withdrawal? >> i don't think we can put a deadline. i don't think we know enough about how these events are going to unfold for there to be a deadline. >> nbc news correspondence jim miklaszewski is live in kabul this morning. let's start with the election situation there. >> reporter: well, mika, when the head of the u.n. commission here announced publicly yesterday that, in fact, there was widespread corruption and fraud in the elections, the presidential elections, nobody here was surprised. in fact, from all quarters, there's an understanding and a resignation that, yes, there was fraud involved. what's frustrating to some in
the u.s. contingent here is that they felt that karzai probably could have won this outright without the fraud. not that they're supporting karzai -- i have to emphasize that. but the problem here for them is now this kicks the entire process well down the road, and there's some sense of urgency that these election commissions get on with it, make whatever declaration they're going to make, and if they demand a runoff election, then get it over with as soon as possible. it's interesting, you know, in elections back home, we often talk about how the weather affects a turnout. here the weather absolutely shuts down total parts of the country, and it would make an effective runoff election impossible until the spring, which would just prolong this epic much longer. in fact, the u.s. military, the u.s. officials here in kabul just want to get this over with as soon as possible, mika.
>> all right. do the afghan people have any sense of the controversy of whether or not the american presidents there should continue for quite longer. and do they want us there? >> reporter: quite frankly, yes to both of those questions. the afghan people are keeping a very close watch on the debate back in washington. while most of the people that we talked to, even down at the common man and woman level on the streets of kabul and elsewhere, they do want an american presence. however, they're beginning to believe here that the americans may not be able to help them any further. and that's a real danger signal to the u.s. because, if they can't get the support and cooperation of the people on the ground, not here in kabul or in the major cities, but out there in the countryside, then those people are going to turn to the taliban and make it difficult for the u.s. to conduct their
counterinsurgency. in fact, some fear that any kind of counterinsurgency war by the u.s. could be lost even before it gets started. >> nbc's jim miklaszewski reporting live from afghanistan, thank you. the defining decision essentially for this president. >> yeah. and it's interesting to hear jim talk about the support that he seems to feel that the afghan people have for u.s. troops. >> yeah, that's good to know at least, i think. in other news, the white house is also keeping close tabs on its top domestic priority. as health care legislation begins to wind its way through congress. the $829 billion baucus plan which would insure 94% of the public, will see a final committee vote on tuesday. the president is also facing stepped up pressure from gay rights advocates who say he's not fulfilled his campaign pledges. speaking to the human rights campaign on saturday, the president vowed to repeal the military's don't ask, don't tell policy.
>> we are moving ahead on don't ask, don't tell. we should not be punishing patriotic americans who have stepped forward to serve this country. we should be celebrating their willingness to show such courage and selflessness on behalf of their fellow citizens, especially when we're fighting two wars. >> all right. as gay rights advocates gathered in washington on sunday, supporters of don't ask, don't tell suggested the war was the exact reason why the issue should wait. >> if i were a serious general in afghanistan and seeing something like that, where we're losing eight or ten people a day and i'm asking for more troops and i find the debate in washington is about this, i might consider resigning m i commission. if this is really what you guys think is the most important thing to worry about right now and spend 25 minutes even on this great show, i think the priorities in washington are wrong. they're just wrong. >> wow, pat buchanan, chime in. are the priorities wrong, or is he just taking on everything?
>> i think the people that ought to make the decision are the military, quite frankly. they understand the morale problems and the esprit decorps problems. they're the ones who should decide it and not the political constituency of barack obama. >> we'll talk more about this coming up. secretary of state hillary clinton is in ireland this morning for a quick series of meetings before heading to russia. she's expected to press moscow to support tough new sanctions against iran if the country fails to disclose its nuclear secrets. clinton is also discussing the situation in pakistan, where a group of taliban fighters wearing army uniforms reached the military headquarters on saturday, leaving 20 people dead. a car bomb today killed at least 41 people. despite increasing attacks, the u.s. insists pakistan's nuclear arsenal is not at risk. and officials in washington state are monitoring a massive
half mile landslide. it's blocking a highway and diverting a major river. so far, one home is nl daed, but officials expect the landslide to grow. that's cool video. is your life better now, willie? >> i already did. "way too early" we covered that extensively. >> you were all over that story. >> we were the first to it. whoa, this is uncomfortable. is he supposed to be here? it says on the prompter. let's get a check on the weather with bill karins. >> is that bill up there? >> my -- should we tell everyone where i honestly was? i know you guys said like, you know, it was the end but -- >> well, yeah. >> i know joe is not here because we're still not talking, but the therapy went really well. >> that's adorable, bill. you guys are adorable. very adorable. >> good gracious, just do the weather -- >> holy smokes.
that's too early for that kind of stuff, isn't it? >> i was just getting myself in trouble, and joe's not even here yet. >> i don't know what's going on. i don't think you're supposed to be here, but go ahead and do the weather. this is really awkward. >> winter. let's talk about that because it felt like it across the country and it does this morning again. it's 34 in hartford, we're starting out. it is hats, gloves, and mittens weather. 31 in albany. temperatures in the mid-40s from new york to philadelphia. it will be okay this afternoon, but we're going to see just a little bit of sun to start, clouds this afternoon. i know the columbus day parade in new york city going on, big event. 58 and mostly cloudy. 54. that's it for you in boston. flashed flooding the other big story. flash flooding possible today and then the middle of the week with another rain event. i nolan at that got hit hard about ten days ago. this event is going to be not quite as bad. still has the chance of producing flash flooding. other big story, snowing in minneapolis. and a huge storm coming into
california. can you believe the snow? just too early. >> exactly. bill karins, thanks very much. we appreciate it. >> hope to be back tomorrow. >> i don't know what -- chris, can you help me out here? okay. we'll talk. >> we'll talk. >> coming up, 20 years after russia was driven out of afghanistan, what lessons have we learned? we're going to talk with former national security adviser dr. zbigniew brzezinski. i call him daddy. and christopher has some lengthy, very unusual words for the president. and how they're planning to upstage tomorrow's health care vote. one of politico's top stories. we'll get to that straight ahead.
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really pouring in for obama now. here's a list of the other awards obama received today. pretty cool. he got the oscar for best cinematographer, 2009 cy young award, international air guitar championship, latin grammy gor best new artist, winner ernest hemingway look-a-like contest, latin grammy for best crossover artist, winner, the yoplait yogurt get fit dreamstakes, little miss san diego, nickelodeon kids' choice award for best kiss, world's best grandma. >> i know we shouldn't laugh. >> but it's funny. we should laugh at this. he did not expect this. >> the nobel prize committee didn't have any idea what they were going to create. not that they care. the unintended consequences. >> it's interesting to see the responses to this. either you think he deserved it
or you think he didn't deserve it. >> how could you think he did deserve it? >> or you could be my dad and think both, which is he deserved it and still has to prove it. >> even the most diehard obama fan can't justify this. >> the nobel prize committee, they're trying to set the stage for him, and it's kind of transparent. >> is that what they do, set the stage for the prize winner? >> they have undermined himself. >> we're trashing a guest before he even arrives. usually we wait until they leave. let's ask dad. >> i was preparing to ask a tough question because joe's not here, so i've got to ask the question. that does not seem like an answer to the question for me. you either think he deserves it or you don't. >> i agree. >> that's a problem. >> pat is excited about the question. he says i think the president has a norwegian groupie. >> the beer summit between professor gates and office
crowley stopped a real blood bath between harvard and the cambridge cops. seriously, they've done this man no favors. he's being made an object of ridicule and mockery and laughter, and he hasn't done a thing. the norwegian committee has not only devalued the award, they've made the president look ridiculous through no fault of his own. i think it's really hurtful to the president. a lot of his enemies will make fun of this endlessly. >> hmm, we will wait and see. >> a lot of people think mike allen didn't deserve his title either, but we think he should be the chief political correspondent for politico. >> just when he rambles. sometimes he rambles on this show. >> "snl" has been attacking him. it's unfair, mike. we think you deserve your position. hello to you, sir. let's talk about ab exclusive story on politico.com. i'll let you explain it. the white house and lobbyists. >> the president had been saying that he wouldn't have any
lobbyists in his administration, except when he would, of course, when he made exceptions. now they're extending that to all the boards and commissions that the white house appoints. what we discovered is there's a lot of people who are trying to stay on these boards and commissions by delisting as lobbyists. this is a real unintended consequence. it used to be the people thought there was an incentive, if they were lobbying, to disclose it because there could be criminal penalties if you don't. now their incentive is not to disclose yourself as a lobbyist because, if you serve on a board or commission for the president, you could get kicked off. >> they remain lobbyists. they're just not talking about it. >> they're going to stay under the legal threshold, which is if you do less than 20% of your work lobying in a quarter, you don't have to disclose. before, firms have been saying, if you do any lobying, disclose it just to be safe, and also in another culture in washington, they could brag about it. they wanted to show how many lobbyists they have. now, of course, in washington
everything's reverse. >> speaking of lobbyists, we know the senate finance committee is expected to vote on this health care bill tomorrow, but i understand lobbyists are stepping in. >> there's been a lot of white noise in the health care debate. you wonder when should i really pay attention? here's a real change. the insurers -- all the insurance companies, including the big ones and the local people and members, districts and states, have been at the table as they like to say, negotiating with the white house, saying they want reform. maybe not the kind of reform the white house says, but they want reform. now there's a food fight. they're turning over that table. the insurance industry, right ahead of tomorrow's senate finance committee vote on this sort of centerpiece bill on this, is saying that over ten years the reform plans could raise people's insurance bills $1,000 a year more than they would have under the current system. the white house, of course, questions this math. it was a report that the insurance industry paid for. but it really puts the white
house and democrats on defensive because we knew that it was going to cost the government more. if it costs you and me more, that's going to make a tough vote even tougher. >> that's a tough sell. finally, your last story with us this morning. another exclusive. john boehner and larry summers going to be pen pals. >> larry summers, former president of harvard, is putting on his professor hat, and he's going to send a letter to the house republican leader today, giving him a one on one on economics, pushing back on what republicans have said about white house plans, saying the white house agrees with republicans that small business is the engine of jobs, but saying that they're not going to repeat the mistakes of the last eight years. so he's going to sort of turn the bush economic record on him. and there's a sentence in there that i would have edited out. there's a sentence in larry summers letter that says that only 10% of the deficits coming forward with based on the recovery plan.
i don't think that i would have put that sentence in. >> i might have left that out too. and i'm sure that letter will change john boehner's mind forever. mike allen, chief correspondent for politico, very deserving of that title. >> ask mika if i rambled today. >> it was okay. mike, thank you very much. with the savings rate going to 7%, you see that people are trying to be careful with their money. there's a growing number of them out there because they've been hit hard by what happened. you certainly don't want to buy into something that might not make your money grow or give back on what you're trying to invest in. now there are warnings about the next craze on wall street. something called the life settlement securities. have you heard about them? they're a type of life insurance backed security, and critics are comparing them to the disastrous subprime mortgage securities that helped send the economy into a tail spin. nbc chief investigative correspondent lisa myers has more on this.
>> reporter: after dr. eddie powell lost his legs, he faced a financial dilemma. >> i'm broke. i was broke, and i was desperate. >> reporter: so he sold his life insurance policies worth about $1 million for $150,000 in cash. it's called a life settlement. the seller gets money now, and the buyer collects on the life insurance when the seller dies. now some top wall street firms, credit suisse, goldman sachs, and others, are moving to packaging hundreds of thousands of dollars of life settlements into a novel new investment, designed to pay off when policyholders die. the earlier the death, the bigger the return. >> you're gambling on whether or not someone's going to die at age 75 or going to die at age 80. >> reporter: this tiny wall street credit rating agency, dbrs, is evaluating the level of safety and security of life settlement packages.
>> none have met our standards to date. >> reporter: life insurers worry that such deals could encourage schemes like manipulating people to take out policies just to sell them back. >> it challenges the good social purpose upon which life insurance is based. it challenges life insurers' high reputation. >> reporter: these deals could generate huge fees for wall street, but critics say they come with a big risk, that a change in life expectancies or a cure for cancer or alzheimer's could send investments plummeting. in fact, critics liken these to the exotic high risk investments that helped trigger the financial meltdown. >> this tells us that nothing has really changed on wall street. we have the same type of self practices, the same ceos running their firms doing the same type of transactions that they were doing before. >> reporter: wall street firms say the deals would not be all that risky because packages could be structured to include people of various ages and with
a range of diseases. and eddie powell, he has some advice for the investment banks. >> people banking on me dying, my grandfather and grandmother lived to be over 100 years of age. i'm 61. you got a long time to wait. >> reporter: lisa myers, nbc news, washington. >> another great investigation by lisa. andy, how do you know the difference between a scam and something that's good use of your money in these times? >> this may be legitimate, but i guarantee you most people buying these things don't fully understand them. it's from the department of financial innovation, which so often is an oxymoron. all the securitization, packaging of loans and selling it to people that don't understand it. as lisa was saying, that's what got us into the financial mess in the first place. if you don't understand it, don't buy it. these things sound kind of perverse to me, betting on someone dying. what a crazy thing. >> it makes me want to put the money under the mattress. >> or in a regular, plain bank
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welcome back to "morning joe." just after 6:30 on the east coast. time for a look at some of today's top stories. still dark out. officials in pakistan say at least 41 people are dead this morning after a suicide bomber detonated explosives in the marketplace. it comes on the same day the taliban claims responsibility for a deadly weekend raid on an army headquarters. meanwhile, today's new york times is reporting the government still lacks a reliable system for tracking foreign visitors more than eight years after the 9/11 attacks. it comes despite repeated mandates from capitol hill. officials say nearly 3 million foreign visitors entered the u.s. with temporary visas last year and never officially checked out.
okay. but they go through my purse at the airport quite well, i must say. and president obama's top economic adviser said the u.s. is on the path toward economic recovery, citing steadying conditions in the financial markets. okay. defending the administration's recovery act, summers writes today that the u.s. has stepped back from the economic abyss. is that -- i'm sorry. i'm in pennsylvania this weekend. i'm talking to people without their jobs, losing their jobs, on the brink of losing their jobs. how can we say that? >> you can argue that's the only metric that matters is jobs, people's jobs, people being able to make their livelihood. >> we'll talk more about this when we talk about "fortune" magazine as well. let's take a look at the papers around the country. "the new york times," civilian goals largely unmet in afghanistan. >> washington times, pakistanis say u.s. hordards intelligence.
>> the boston globe, the angels sweep the red sox in three games, moving on to the american league championship series. i love the red sox. >> and a much different photo on the front page of the l.a. times, angels complete an incredible come from behind victory yesterday at fenway. up next, the angels play the yankees. >> interesting piece in the art section of "the new york times." carly simon suing her label. and bruce springsteen went to this rockers last dance. >> closing at his home field. >> also, it's a fork, it's a weapon? 6-year-old boy suspended. he brought a utensil to school. coming up next, a look at this morning's must read opinion
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what i think is fair to say about fox -- and certainly it's the way we view it -- is that it's really more of a wing of the republican party. obviously, he'll go on fox because he engages with ideological opponents. he understands it he's not going on it really as a news network at this point. he's going on to debate the opposition. >> really? debate the opposition. welcome back to "morning joe." we still have andy serwer, "fortune" magazine with us, and me and willie and pat buchanan
in washington. that was anita dunn, the white house communications director, talking about fox as the opposition. pat buchanan, you are a communications guy. is that how you would describe this network? is that the approach you would take? >> no. clearly, if he were going on glenn beck or going on o'reilly or going on hannity's show, he would go into the ideological lines of the opposition. but that's certainly not fair to say about chris wallace's show. his sunday show, which i'm sure is the one they want to get barack obama on, i don't think is fair. and secondly, i don't think it's wise. >> why would you call that out? even if we feel that way, what's the percentage in just continuing to engage in that kind of debate with them? >> they just had a meeting. i believe it was david axelrod. >> fox summit, they called it. it would seem they would want to embrace them in some way. >> also, you got fox reporters. i'm sure fox news reporters over there at the white house who are
doing their best, you know, to try to cover it. maybe they have certain beliefs, just like other reporters do, but i think to call out the news side like this as opposed to where he does have opponents in the evening on a lot of what he does. hannity is a friend of mine, but he really is very tough on obama. but their news guys and chris wallace, i think it's really unfair, and it's indiscriminate, and it's foolish. what do you gain by it? there that comes off that big "time" magazine piece, that rick stengel brought in, remember robert gibbs talking about how aggressively. it's like a baseball game. sometimes we've got to move them off the plate and throw it inside. they're preemptively going after fox. >> it's not like obama can't handle these guys. why not just go on and engage? >> he has. it's just interesting the way they've been characterizing it. pat, i've got another one for you. this is about the nobel prize. "the wall street journal," peggy noonan, a wicked and ignorant award. don't hold back. this is an award for not being
george w. bush. this is an award for not making the world nervous. this is an award for sharing the basic political sentiments and assumptions of the members of the committee. it is for what barack obama may do, not what he has done. he hasn't done anything. that echos a lot of what joe scarborough was saying on friday, pat. do you agree? >> yeah, i do agree. willie and i were talking the beer summit is the biggest event. this is the stick it to bush award. the nobel prize committee has given four. they gave it to jimmy carter in 2002. they gave it to al gore for global warming, just before the ice age has descended on us here. and they gave it to el baradei who said weapons of mass destruction. and they gave it to obama because he's got a different policy than george w. bush. and you take a look at some of the others, and there's a real degradation, i think, in the quality of the awards by the nobel prize committee in recent years. it's not like the old days -- i mean, wilson got it for the 14
points and the end of world war i. t.r. got it for ending the russian-japanese war. that's big stuff. >> you're going to have my dad sitting next to you in the next half hour. he's real happy about it. >> senator graham, do you think the president deserves the nobel peace prize? >> if he can successfully turn around afghanistan, deter iran from getting a nuclear weapon, i will build a bookcase for him to put it in. it depends on what he does. >> then thomas friedman, new york times, pat buchanan, says this. "the nobel committee did president obama no favors by prematurely award be him its peace prize. as he himself acknowledged, he has not done anything yet on the scale that would normally merit such an award. and it dismays me the most important prize in the world may have been devalued in this way." doesn't look like anyone thinks the president was done any favors on this, pat. >> the term that friedman
used -- i agree with 100% with what he wrote. they devalued the prize. it's become a joke, if you will. people are laughing about it. "saturday night live" and everyone are making fun about it. i don't blame barack obama. he didn't do anything wrong. second, there's a lot of his ideas on engagement. a lot of us support making the effort. but none of them has really borne real fruit yet, and this puts moral pressure on him. look what he's deciding on now, mika. is he going to send 40,000 troops into afghanistan. how's it going to look if he decides to send in 20,000 troops or something like that. >> that's a little awkward. >> it's going to put moral pressure on him. >> a friend was telling us about a chinese website where they were noting they're actual ly very happy in china he's gotten this award because he won't be able to make any more wars. >> speaking of china, let me segue.
"fortune" magazine, "china buys the world." >> and there's a story in "the wall street journal" about a chinese oil company looking to buy off ghana. you see this time and time again around the world, the chinese are continuing to bias et cetera and companies, and we're up against them. >> we should be scared, right? very, very scared. >> the chinese have $2 trillion worth of dollar denominated assets. we spend that money at walmart. they're going around the world and buying up resources, mineral resources in australia, oil resource ins iran and these other things. they are building for the long haul, the chinese are. >> there you go. >> while we americans are a consumption society. >> that is correct. >> and, andy, more importantly to us right now, they're buying up all of our debt. what does that mean for us? >> economists will debate this, but obviously in a certain sense they're going to be able to lord that over us. on the other hand, willie, they've got all these dollars, but i think they're getting
nervous about that because the dollar is getting weaker. they're converting that into actually owning hard assets, as the economists call it, which is to say mines and oil rigs and actually more companies like pc companies. they own a piece of wall street's investment banking businesses as well. >> it's something we all should think about as we try to move ahead collectively as a country and try to get back to making things again. china buys the world. fortune magazine front the cover. let me get one more must read op ed in there. willie and i have been going on and on about this one. "the washington post," david brodeur, and now we have the gerthers with a "g." this is about the new jersey gubernatorial race. i very much fear that if corzine pulls out a victory next month after trailing christie for months in the polls, the precedent will be set for a really distasteful tactic, the fat boy ploy. if you believe, as i do, that
the beautiful people already have enough of an advantage in this age of television politics and cable trivia, then the last thing we need is a wave of ads highlighting the fact that others are really ugly. >> chris christie being shown in an unflattering way, his weight being highlighteded by the corzine people. >> they've got him coming out with his girth waddling back and forth, and they say he's been throwing his weight around. it is lowball politics, i think. i think it's going to have a republican backlash. the third party candidate who just got the endorsement of the newark paper, he could siphon off enough votes so that corzine could win this election. >> that would be a very interesting dynamic, and also the issue of weight certainly should be addressed, maybe not in this way. >> the third party that pat is talking about, if you watch tv in new york, it's all ads for this campaign. he's got an ad out where there's
two caricatures of the guy. there's an elevator stuck. corzine is the wall street guy, reading "the wall street journal," and they've got christie sitting there with his shirt untucked, sweaty, sitting on one of the stairs of the escalator. no one is doing anything. the third party guy runs up. >> william howard taft was able to carry that. >> 300 pounds. >> 300-pound man, right, pat? gl they had to build a special bathtub for him. a great american. >> too many details. >> that's a good vision, isn't it? >> you know, they make cars bigger. they're going to make plane seats bigger. why not? what the heck about a bathtub. you've got the news? >> christie is coming on wednesday. >> what about this third party guy? >> chris daggett. he's going to play a big role in this race. >> coming up, strategy for afghanistan. i'm beginning to stutter because it involves dr. zbigniew
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last night on "larry king live," cnn's dr. sanjay gupta demonstrated a new way of doing cpr. luckily for larry king, it worked. >> i knew that was coming. conan just savages poor larry. time for sports. the big story over the weekend, vanderbilt's dramatic overtime loss up at west point. i was there. i saw it in person. terrible game for us, but what a great place to see a game. if you live around here and get
a chance, go up to west point. it's beautiful. here's fred with the rest of the day in sports. >> thank you and good morning. the boston red sox, one out away from extending their series against the angels. closer jonathan papelbon couldn't get it done. we'll take it up in the ninth. an jellings trailing 6-4 with two down. bobby abreu cut the lead in half with a home run off the green monster. angels down by one. papelbon intentionally loaded the bases to pitch to vlad guerrero. that was a mistake. guerrero golfed it to center. chone figgins and abreu scored. angels rally from four down to win '7-6. they sweep the red sox and advance to the american league championship series. angels will play the yankees. they completed their sweep of the tins. alex rodriguez tied the game with a solo shot in the seventh. two innings later, it was jorge posada, put the yanks on top with a solo blast of his own. it's been four years, but the yankees are back in the division championship after a 4-1 win. game one is this friday in new
york. game three between the rockies and phillies. tied in the ninth. ryan howard got the job done with a sacrifice fly to center. phillies won 6-5. they lead the series 2-1. football about two miles away from the broncos-cards game. overtime against the patriots. denver wins it. the broncos have some of the ugliest throwback uniforms you'll ever see, but they're a perfect 5-0. they beat the pats 20-17. eli manning played less than a half for the giants because of a sore heel and threw a pair of touchdowns. giants scored on the first two possessions. they won 44-7. peyton manning up to his old tricks against the titans. three touchdowns and passed for over 300 yards. this to rocky austin culley. colts improve to 5-0. the titans are 0-5. ouch. kansas city down a touchdown
with a minute to play on fourth and seven. matt cassell found dwayne bowe to tie it. but miles austin gets the overtime winner. the cowboys won it 26-20. to baltimore, bengals and ravens. carson palmer connected with andre caldwell. 22 seconds to play, and cincinnati had the lead. palmer and caldwell looked up in the final minutes to win. bengals won their fourth straight, 17-14. that's it for me. we'll talk to you guys tomorrow. >> fred, thanks so much. coming up next, a little "news you can't use." this is huge. at midnight, a couple hours ago, they released the new michael jackson song everyone is waiting for and talked about. this is it. the song is not it, but the title of the song is "this is it." we'll play a little snippet for you when we come back. eeeee
please tell me it's time. >> it is time. >> thank god. >> news you can't use. >> joe never claps. >> this is the morning pat buchanan has been waiting for for months now. since the moment michael jackson died, he's been waiting for this new highly anticipated single "this is it." it went out at midnight about seven hours ago. this was the single that was supposed to come out in conjunction with the tour he was
going to go on before he died. so we're going to give you a little snippet. this is the song "this is it," which a lot of people are saying could become the biggest selling single of all time. >> really? ♪ i never thought that you would see me ♪ ♪ this is it i can be it ♪ ♪ i'm the light of the world this is it ♪ >> good enough. sounds a little elevatorish. >> not one of his greatest of all time, but people are going to buy it on an emotional level. >> my mother loves michael jackson. >> is that right? >> huge fan. just obsessive. >> as a performer, we all love michael jackson. >> she liked his performances. she thought he was a clever dancer. >> we were able to separate the personal from the public. >> let's move on. so saturday night, as mika told you, president obama was at the human rights campaign dinner
and was basically going before an audience and affirming his commitment to repeal don't ask, don't tell. the gay community has become skeptical of the president over the months. hasn't moved quickly enough on a lot of issues. but he wasn't the star attraction. why? because lady gaga was in the house. the president opening for lady gaga. here he is talking about her. >> thank you so much, all of you. it is a privilege to be here tonight to open for lady gaga. >> lady gaga. mika, you're excited. >> yeah. >> did you see her at the rally? >> i'm glad you brought that up. yesterday he had had ray big crowd out there in d.c., a big rally. lady gaga addressed the crowd and addressed the president. >> obama, i know that you're listening. are you listening?
we will continue to push you and your administration to bring your words of promise to a reality. we need change now. we demand actions now. >> lady gaga, a huge star, very influential with the kids, as harold ford can tell you. here's some of her greatest hits outfits. the american music awards. one on "snl." >> the gyroscope look. >> there's one that's provocative, the masquerade mask. she's a talented youngster. >> is she like a teenager? >> pat, you like what you see there? >> how do i download that stuff, willie? >> you don't, pat. you don't. >> it's a minute past the top of the hour. i'm going to rest my confusion aside and open the show. willie, thanks.
>> a pleasure. >> explain later, please. harold ford jr. has joined the table. great to have you along for the ride. andy serwer, "fortune" magazine, and pat buchanan in washington. coming up, my daddy's coming in, former u.s. security adviser zbigniew brzezinski. my dad has a weird answer. he's saying obama deserves it but he should earn it. isn't my dad known for the searing answer? that's wishy washy. >> he is known for that. why is he doing it? >> will you please ask him for me? will you do it? >> mika and i are going to take the gloves off. >> i've got to go to starbucks because we're brewed by starbucks. also, we want to talk about afghanistan with him and pat buchanan as well. and david ignatius will be no joining us next hour, and he has
a very big piece about afghanistan and how that plays into the picture. and jamie gangel has a piece on rush limbaugh, exclusive "today" show piece we're going to run for you. fascinating in terms of the national conversation and some of its down sides. first it's time for a look at some of today's top stories. the top u.n. official in afghanistan is now acknowledging "widespread fraud" in august's presidential election while denying allegations he tried to cover it up. with president karzai still in power there, a panel is expected to decide this week whether to recommend a runoff election. it comes as the white house weighs general mcchrystal's request to add another 40,000 troops to the afghan fight. members of congress, meanwhile, are debating strategy and timelines. >> i think the great danger now is not an american pullout. i think the great danger now is a half measure. sort of a -- you know, try to please all ends of the political spectrum. i think he needs to use deliberate speed, and i think he
needs to adopt a strategy which he has basically articulated last march and before. >> my question is about timeline. we have been there for more than eight years, and the situation is deteriorating. senator levin, why isn't it appropriate, as democrats did with iraq, to say here and now there should be a timeline for how long we're there. >> there should be milestones for success obviously. >> a deadline for withdrawal ' >> no, i don't think we can put a deadline. i don't think we know enough about how the events are going to unfold for there to be a deadline. >> we'll talk with my father about this coming up. but should we have goals in afghanistan which should have that never-ending dot dot dot at the end of them, or a timeline for withdrawal? >> senator levin is right. you say a timeline, that tells the taliban when the americans will start out, and they will calibrate their own war plans to that. i do think mccain is right here,
mika, in that obama's natural tendency, he says he's not going to draw down troops, will be to sort of split the difference. his problem is mcchrystal says that is a formula for mission failure. that is a formula for defeat. i think the republicans are really many gentlemaning president obama, but my guess is he's not going to give them everything they want. >> we'll talk to two great speakers, dr. brzezinski and david ignatius joining you there in washington, pat. in afghanistan at least 41 people were killed in a suicide explosion. it comes on the same day the taliban claims responsibility for the deadly weekend siege of an army headquarters. despite increasing attacks, the u.s. insists pakistan's nuclear arsenal is not at risk. the white house is also keeping close tabs on its top
domestic priority as health care legislation winds its way through congress. the $829 billion baucus plan, which would ensure 94% of the public seeks a committee vote on tuesday. do you think it has a chance? >> it's important for him to get this done. baucus has been able to pull together the distant democrats and might win a republican or two. the key for the president is to get this done and then move on to the next big issue. the president is also facing stepped up efforts by gay rights advocates who say he's not fulfilled his campaign pledges. the president vowed to repeat the military's don't ask, don't tell policy. >> we are moving ahead on don't ask, don't tell. we should not be punishing patriotic americans who have stepped forward to serve this country. we should be celebrating their willingness to show such courage and selflessness on behalf of their fellow citizens, especially when we're fighting two wars. >> as gay rights advocates gathered in washington on sunday, supporters of don't ask,
don't tell suggested the war was the exact reason why the issue should wait. >> if i were a serious general in afghanistan and was seeing something like that where we're losing eight or ten people a day and i'm asking for more troops and i find the debate in washington is about this, i might consider resigning my commission. if this is really what you fwis think is the most important thing to worry about right now and spend 25 minutes on it even on this great show, i think the priorities in washington are wrong. they're just wrong. >> does he have a point there? >> i think don't ask, don't tell should be resolved, but i think in the order of things, bennett may be right in that this can't be the next thing that we deal with. >> priorityizing. pat buchanan? >> i do agree with bennett on this. this is not the primary thing. before you do this, you really should consult the junior officers, the nco, the military. what is the impact upon morale of the troops? a lot of them really violently
oppose this. i think frankly you could have a real turmoil in the military. do you really want that right now when we're deciding how many thousands of more young people we're going to send into afghanistan? i think bennett's right on this. >> his point is in the middle of a war you don't do these kinds of things. you have two live theaters occurring. i think he has a point, but i agree with the president oefr overall. >> in the middle of a war, you're not traditionally warded the nobel peace prize, but these things happen. >> willie's up for the heisman next year. >> i'm going to get the "glamour" magazine next pretty young thing award. >> i thought you already got that. get it again. >> i was up for an oscar for my performance on the ealy g. show. >> i would have given you one for that. >> i still think the president was extremely humble and hit the right tone in his acceptance of the award. it's not his fault that people
think he's amazing. secretary of state hillary clinton is in ireland this morning for a quick series of meetings before heading to russia. she's expected to press moscow to support tough new sanctions against iran if the country fails to disclose its nuclear secrets. nbc's ann curry sat down with secretary clinton for an exclusive interview over the weekend. we're going to play portions of that interview coming up later in the hour. that's a quick look at the news. we have harold with us, andy serwer, pat buchanan, willie geist. we look ahead to the top issues of the day, including, by the way, the white house taking on fox news. i want harold to chime in on this. we've heard from pat. but anita dunn saying that the white house looks at fox news as the opposition. >> a wing of the party. >> a wing of the party. >> a wing of the republican party. >> what do you make of that? it doesn't seem -- in fact, i'd like to play the bite, if i could. do we have it, chris? we're getting the bite, which means i must do what's called
stretching here. anita dunn speaking on television about the president taking on fox news, the white house going on fox news. how they viewed that channel versus maybe perhaps being a guest on other channels. here it is. >> what i think it's fair to say about fox and certainly the way we view it is that it really is more of a wing of the republican party. obviously, he'll go on fox because he engages with ideological opponents. he understands he's not going on it really as a news network at this point. he's going on to debate the opposition. >> interesting. so i don't know. pat didn't think it was exactly the right approach. is that debating the opposition, going on fox news? >> i was in politics for ten years in congress. i never shied away from a chance to go face to face or head to head with those i knew may have a different opinion of me. i think it's unfair to say the president won't find his way to that forum. one for two reasons, one for the voters who watch that show, and, two, i think it's unfair for the president's agenda.
earlier on fox, smft commentators, i wouldn't call it supportive, but certainly open to some of the ideas the president laid out. i think you do yourself a little bit of a disservice if you're unwilling to take your message to every forum and every audience. >> i think they do, but they see it as a platform in which they're confronting the opposition. let me bring another dimension. i have no problem with making choices to put yourself out there to debate issues or to be questioned on them. you know, if you go on fox, you may be questioned in a certainly way just like, if you go on a network that is run mostly by liberals and has a real liberal slant in terms of everybody's world view, that you know what you're getting there too. >> true. that shouldn't stop you. >> it doesn't stop you, but it's the truth. >> this president is bigger than so many things and has transformed and changed the way we think about politics. i think the more you put him out, the more he's able to change minds and persuade voters who may be in the middle or may be against him at the time.
>> i think, harold, it's a little bit of name calling to get yourself in the muck of it. just go do it rather than make a big deal about it. >> if you're not going to do it, just say it. >> pat, jump in. >> let's take the press briefing where gibbs is at. is it really fair to say that the fox news reporters sitting in there are the republican opposition. i don't think that's fair. i don't think it's fair to say that about chris wallace, who runs an objective, tough news show. there's no doubt you've got conservatives there in beck and o'reilly and hannity. if you go in there, you expect to be come at from a conservative standpoint. but to call it the republican opposition, i think, that's really playing small partisan politics, and it doesn't help the white house to do that. >> but isn't it calling it like it is? i understand there are some really great journalists there. >> it's like "the new york times." the family that runs it, the
salsburgers, i think it's fair to say they have a liberal political orientation. but if you're a president that wants to engage with supporters, you know the editorial page is going to be liberal, but it's a plip side kind of thing. >> just call it like it is. >> that's different calling it like it is and saying you're not going to go on a show. you know going on a certain show, there's a certain bias. everyone knows joe is a republican. he's a true conservative. he's fair about issues, but he's a republican, and democrats still come on show. you have to be careful about making the observations. i don't want to get into the white house's press strategy, but i probably wouldn't have done it. i guess that puts me in the middle. >> we throw you in the middle. >> the president did that roadblock. he did five or six shows, was on the food channel and everything, and they stiffed fox. i don't think they should do that, again, if it's the sunday morning show or something like that.
>> it just feeds into it. >> he does fine. you often do much better when you've got a sharper questioning and things like that because it looks good and everybody wants to see it. >> he can certainly handle it. >> i think they have a few people watching. >> i think if your convictions have the added value of being true, you shouldn't be afraid to go on any platform and take them on. >> to harold's point, there's a piece fox talks with obama intensifying, in which fox makes the point the number two guy says, every time they do this, our ratings go up. they've got a few people watching. >> all these different dimensions to this. coming up, speaking of dynamics, are former national security adviser zbigniew brzezinski, his thoughts on afghanistan and withdrawing troops and also setting a deadline for getting out. and we'll talk about his views on the president getting the nobel peace prize. andy is going to deal with that. also, is rush limbaugh hurting the republican party?
we'll play you his response to that question and the rest of nbc's exclusive interview with the controversial talk show host. and next the headlines out of the white house with chuck todd live from the north lawn. first, a quick check on the weather with meteorologist bill karins, who is here for now. >> it doesn't have to be uncomfortable anymore, mika. good morning, everyone. let's talk about the problems today. still a little chilly in new england. otherwise, the big issues in the deep south. heavy rain and flash flooding possible alabama and the northern half of georgia. also snowing this morning in minneapolis. one to two inches of snow in october, way too early. airports doing just fine. wet weather from texas through the southeast. for all our friends up early on the west coast, a big storm is heading your way later tonight and tomorrow, especially san francisco to sacramento. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ( inspiring music playing )
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can we stay there for 10, 12 years? general, i don't think so. i don't think the american people are up for that or want that. but i think -- i don't know how you put somebody in who is ssas cracker jack as general mcchrystal, who gives the president very solid recommendations and not take those recommendations. >> interesting. welcome back to "morning joe" live from the white house. we are joined now by chief political correspondent chuck todd. this could be the defining issue depending how it goes, and there are not a lot of options for it going tremendously well either way. chuck, what's the discussion
inside the white house? are they leaning towards biden, towards mcchrystal, or would it be, which is not surprising, something in the middle? >> reporter: i think they're searching for something in the middle. can i just tell you senator feinstein also in that one statement, which really in many ways was contradictory. as far as some folks are concerned. which is you make the decision to go counterinsurgency in afghanistan. then you probably have made the decision to do some form of nation building, not complete nation building, but some form of it. and therefore you're going to have a presence there for 10 to 12 years. at least that's what the thinking is inside of this white house. if you make the decision to do counterinsurgency inside the borders of afghanistan, then you're making a years long commitment. you're not making a months long commitment. i think, if the president thought they could do count counterinsurgency and get out in three years, set a deadline, he'd have already made the
decision. but i think that's what they're struggling with, which is i think there is some under -- the fact that everybody inside that war council is a big fan of general mcchrystal. he was sent over there because they didn't think they were getting good leadership and good information out of general mckiernan, who was his predecessor in running the war in afghanistan. so there is a lot of respect for his -- for that assessment that he's made. that's the -- that's what's weighing on the president as he's trying to figure this out, which is can you do counterinsurgency and get out in a couple of years? that's what seems contradictory here. >> how much do you share, in terms of strategy, with the american people? pat, jump in. >> chuck, you seem to be almost telegraphing that the white house really does not want the long war strategy, the nation building, that it wants out much sooner. it's hard for me to think of
anybody in that white house now who is really, if you will, for the mccain, petraeus, mcchrystal, 40,000 troops counterinsurgency. would that be right, that it is tilting toward a shorter war? >> reporter: well, i think that's -- i think they're trying to figure out how to do a shorter war, but there also seems to be sort of this accept ance that you're going to have to give him more troops. there's going to have to be stability done in parts of this, whether it's kabul or a couple of other major cities. it is hard because they're trying to figure out how to come up with a middle ground. seems almost impossible. that's what made senator feinstein's statements fascinating because here she is. and by the way, i also think she shows you how much running room the president actually had. one of the complete misnomers in this whole debate is that somehow public opinion is driving it.
i tell you, the public opinion will be with the president the minute he does something. indecision will cost him problems in public opinion. the minute he comes out with something -- he's a new commander in chief. the minute he comes out with a new strategy, the public will by and large rally around him, including a lot of democrats. there will be some on the left who will say don't escalate this thing, don't do it. if he makes a decision to say 25,000 troops, we're going to get out of there in a couple of years, we're doing more counterterrorism. the country will rally around him for a short period of time. the time he's got to worry about public opinion will be if the casualty rates go up, if more soldiers come back in kocoffins than come back -- that sort of issue. but short term, i think the one thing we should not focus on too much is the public opinion part of it. >> harold? >> what was the white house expecting to hear from
mcchrystal. you indicate that there was a hope they could do this quickly, that the plan was a few months as opposed to a few years, they might be more inclined to it. what was it they were expecting from mcchrystal other than an honest assessment? >> reporter: i don't think they were expecting anything that they didn't get. what they will say changed is the confidence in the afghanistan government, the confidence in karzai, that that's what they say changed here. and the fact that he stole this election, it looks like, and there are more and more studies out there that show a lot of funny business happened with this election. that's where we're -- vice president biden has been on this. he's been on the counterterrorism aspect of this, not counterinsurgency. he's been on this idea of, hey, we've got to shrink the footprint, not send more troops over there for a while. i think after the afghan elections went sour, his voice
started being heard more and more. >> just a quick -- so far, reuters is reporting this. something just crossed the wires. reuters is reporting that north korea has fired two short range missiles off of its east coast. just a big picture. the president has a lot on his plate. >> never a dull moment as president of the united states. >> it's a holiday. that's what the north koreans do. they look at our holidays. they know it's a slow news day. you will have folks that will tell you that follow north korea's patterns very closely. it's amazing how many types they pick federal holidays to do these things because they know they get like maximum exposure. >> even columbus day? >> indigenous people's day. come on, willie. get it right. >> we're going to be reading updates from you at firstread.msnbc.com. chuck todd, thanks very much. still ahead, nobel peace prize? obama got one, but has he earned it yet?
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it comes ahead of her visit to moscow, where iran's nuclear program will likely take center stage. in an nbc exclusive, secretary clinton sat down with ann curry over the weekend to discuss her role as the nation's top diplomat. >> what do you say to the people who are concerned that you have been marginalized, that you -- that the highest ranking woman in the united states having to fight against being marginalized? >> you know, ann, i find it absurd. >> so you're not? >> i find it beyond any realistic assessment of what i'm doing every day. i think there is such a -- maybe there is a misunderstanding which needs to be clarified. i believe in delegating power. i'm not one of these people who feels like i have to have my face in the front of the newspaper or on the tv in every moment of the day. i would be irresponsible and negligent were i to say, oh, no, everything must come to me.
maybe that is a many would's thing. maybe i'm totally secure and feel absolutely no need to go running around in order for people to see what i'm doing. it's just the way i am. my goal is to be a very positive force to implement the kind of changes that the president and i believe are in the best interests of our country. but that doesn't mean that it all has to be me, me, me all the time. i like lifting people up. >> you know what, a part of also this is being able to work in a team, as part of a team, which sounds like she's doing. and she did amazing work in africa, and all the media looked at was that one comment she made on a day when she was tired. >> there are a lot of high powered people in the administration working together. >> the dynamics of an administration getting along certainly isn't a new issue. coming up, we'll talk to someone who's dealt with that on many levels, former national security adviser dr. zbigniew brzezinski
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yesterday the news came that i had been awarded the nobel peace prize. this came without warning. i didn't even get a call as due to the time difference in norway, the nobel people didn't want to wake me up. i wish they had. i could have said to hillary clinton, hey, remember that 3:00 a.m. call you were so worried about. it happened. nobel peace prize. >> they've got to be funnier, but they're getting there. they're working on it, trying to find a way to mock him.
usually i let joe handle this. i'm going to do it this time. i can do it. joe's off today. hi, dad. here with us now, former national security adviser dr. zbigniew brzezinski, who is the co-author of "america and the world, conversations on the future of american foreign policy." dad, it's great to have you on the show. >> good morning, mika. >> so you have said about president barack obama over receiving the nobel peace prize that -- and these are your words. he deserves it, but he has to earn it. now, i take issue with that because, when i was growing up, i either deserved something or i didn't and had to earn it. so why are you equivocating on the president? >> well, i have to say you nailed me with this one. >> seriously. >> look, in all seriousness, he deserved it because within a few months he has really redefineded the foreign policy of the number one world power. a foreign policy that was
sliding into increasing unilateralism, a foreign policy that earned the united states the antipathy and even the hatred of all of mankind, a foreign policy that was pushing us towards other military engagements, such, for example, war with iran. i think he's changed all that have. for that he deserves the nobel peace prize. but he still has to earn it because, having changed u.s. policy, he has still the task facing him of implementing it, of pursuing it. so it's both an endorsement, approval, but also encouragement and reinforcement for what he's doing. >> i'll follow up quickly and then open it up to the guys. didn't it seem a little early for him to be receiving this prize? ultimately not helpful when you look at the criticism out there, which is predictable, and even the president himself was somewhat humbled and surprised
by it. >> whether it's helpful or not is something that, of course, the nobel peace prize committee can't decide. they're not playing politics. i'm not sure it's unhelpful. i think some of the reaction reflects the polarization in the country, the intensity of that polarization, and some of the ugliness of that polarization. i think most americans ought to be proud of the fact that they have a president who has redefineded america's foreign policy in a way that makes us much more in tune with the rest of the world and gains much more of the traditional liking for america, which is an important facet, an important asset in foreign policy. >> willie geist? >> dr. brzezinski, it's willie. good to see you this morning. >> good morning. >> i will respectfully accept your premise that he deserves the award for the purposes of my question. beyond the public perception of the outside world that you've talked about, what can we point to tangibly from a foreign policy point of view that he's done to improve the world?
>> yes. what are the specifics? >> i think what he's done is reset american objectives. he has redefineded american strategy. now he's in the process of pursuing it. that is to say, move on a number of issues, such as the global issues, environment, climate, economic cooperation, redistribution of influence in the international economic system, which was skewed in terms of favoring the west. moving on peace between the israelis and the palestinians, trying negotiations with the iranians. all of these are sort of a composite of intentions and initial actions. but all of it together is enormously important for the world because of the place the united states occupies and of the role it plays in the world. >> dad, i'm going to bring pat buchanan in, who's also in washington, but intentions are certainly not actions or accomplishment, pat, and i think
that's why some people are mocking this. i'm not sure it has anything to do with divisiveness. >> i think that's exactly right. let me ask dr. brzezinski this. doctor, he's facing a critical decision right now. do you think the white house decision on whether to give those 40,000 troops to general mcchrystal is baseded on hope that the mcchrystal plan of enhanced forces will succeed or fear of the mission failure of defeat if they don't give him the troops? >> well, it probably should be based on neither, that is to say, neither fear nor hope, but on a rational calculus of what is in the best interests of the united states and what is likely to create more propitious condition ins afghanistan. my own view is obviously we cannot disengage, but simply increasing the level of force to
100,000 and perhaps beyond that is probably not the central aspect of the needed solution. i think we probably may have to increase forces here or there. certainly we have to keep control over the major lines of communication. we want to keep control over the major cities and towns. but whether we want to escalate the counterinsurgency to level 100,000 and then perhaps beyond that raises some fundamental questions of good judgment. >> hey, dad, i'm going to read from frank rich pertaining to afghanistan because this is one of the key questions, i think, as we move forward. he says this. "most tellingly, perhaps those clamoring for an escalation in afghanistan avoid mentioning the name of the country's president, hamid karzai, or the fraud-filled august election that conclusively delegitimatized his government. to do so would require explaining why america should place its troops in alliance with a corrupt partner knee-deep
in the narcotics trade." karzai government, dad, does that get in the way of success here? >> the karzai government is an afghan government. it's a government that came into being when the taliban collapsed. i don't know whether there's a better person than karzai, but all i can say is this. unless we know there's a better ruler for afghanistan, we'd better not get involved in undermining him because what we're doing is we're really shooting ourselves in the foot. he is the afghan that is currently in charge in kabul. if we have a better one that can govern on his own with the support of the afghan, fine. but until we find one, let's just keep our mouths shut on this issue and not discredit ourselves by yapping away all the time about corruption. i mean, who are we to be talking about corruption? look at wall street. our economic system, financial system is totally corrupt these days. look how we conduct our elections, on the basis of private donations. look what are our ambassadors in
the most important countries, people who bought the ambassadorships. who are we to be preaching corruption or anti-corruption to the rest of the world? politics is politics. every country has its own tradition and ways of doing things. if there's someone else who has the support of the afghans, let him surface. we're not running afghanistan. we're finding it hard even to wage counterinsurgency. how can we be getting engaged in transforming its politics, building some sort of a different political culture in afghanistan. this is really crazy. >> andy serwer, go ahead. >> dr. brzezinski, let me ask you a question that is really on most americans' mind, which is why the heck are we there in the first place? i understand we're waging war on terrorism. there's some al qaeda elements there. it's debatable how great those elements are. the taliban is there. i understand that. isn't this really a job for spy planes and the cia? if we send tens of thousands of more troops there, there's going to be more american casualties.
you're a student of history. you know what happened with the british. you know what happened with the russians. they used to call afghanistan russia's vietnam. why are we going to repeat this exercise that western or nonlocal powers seem to do time after time? >> for years and years and years. >> i think you raised a fundamental question. let me answer it partially by a little story. shortly after 9/11, i was one of those that was consulted. not involved in the decision making but consulted at very high levels as to whether and how we should go into afghanistan. i participated in a meeting with secretary rumsfeld and others in which i supported the decision to go into afghanistan because it was necessary to root out the al qaeda located in afghanistan. but immediately after the meeting, i sent him a short note. i have a copy of it, in which i said, don't stay. don't get enganl ged in nation building. overthrow the taliban, get rid of al qaeda if you can, but don't stay. pull out.
but we stayed. i think we're now deeply engaged in something which is not going to be very profitable to us. i think we ought to have a comprehensive policy of staying politically with some necessary economic support to maintain control over the major assets of the country, but the war against the taliban has to be waged by the afghans. and let me end here by posing a question. we hear all the time we have to create a big afghan army and train it and so forth and it will take two years. and we need thousands and thousands of american trainers. i have a simple question. who trains the taliban? who arms the taliban? how is it that we're now concluding that the taliban is even threatening our forces and we have to have more forces to fight it? who prepared the taliban to fight? the point is the afghans are damn good fighters. they can organize themselves. we can give them arms and stuff like that. we don't have to train them. most afghans know how to fight, and they fight very well. there has to be motivation.
and that can only come from within. we cannot create it by pouring more foreign troops, american troops and nato troops into afghanistan. >> pat buchanan. >> dr. brzezinski, that's exactly the point. the taliban don't need any training or instruction or motivation. they fight for their country to get rid of the americans, and it's hard to see how our afghan allies can ever beat that force. let me ask you a question. if the united states says we made a mistake in the nation building process, we should have listened to zbig and we turn around and pull out and the taliban take over in kabul, what happens to our friends? what happens to america's prestige in the region and in the islamic world? if we've been in there eight years, nine years, ten years, and the taliban come in to kabul the way the north vietnamese came into saigon? >> pat, let me repeat what i said. i'm against a pullout.
but i'm also against turning this into an american or an american-nato war, which would increasingly be a war against the afghans. and we haven't even talked about pakistan. we have to have a comprehensive policy in which we give them economic assistance. we engage in buying off local leaders, bearing in mind that this is a very decentralized country with different sources of authority spread out throughout the country. we engage in some limited accommodations with those taliban units that are not committed to al qaeda. we are willing perhaps indirectly and certainly through the afghans in kabul to negotiate with the taliban at large if it promises not to be a refuge, a safe haven for al qaeda. we also support the pakistanis more seriously about their strategic concerns because of the pakistanis are not prepared to help us. we probably will not be able to prevail in afghanistan in any case. we have to have a comprehensive
policy which has all of these elements -- economic, financial, military. i emphasize some military -- as well as dejgeo political. i'm opposed to pouring in more troops and making the counterinsurgency our primary undertaking. >> we have david ignatius coming up at the top of the hour. if you can stay for that, we would love it because this conversation, certainly, i think is just beginning. so, dad, hang in there if you can. >> all right. i have enormous respect for david ignatius. i think he's really the best in "the washington post." >> then you stay. and i'm hoping i'm deserving and don't still have to earn your respect. up next, it's getting nasty in new jersey. new york magazine's gape sherman explains how this gubernatorial race has quickly spun out of control. we'll talk about that coming up. work so well with skin? one reason? lubriderm® contains the same nutrients
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>> there is something in the watuter over there. >> trust me, i know. this is my home state. they are talking about he had a speeding ticket, and it's the -- just layout the campaign for us? >> basically new jersey is broke, no money. both candidates don't have a positive message to run on. corzine's strategy was to bring christie down, and so in hopes of the voters saying they will just go with who they know. >> and what is the story now? >> basically, we have it even. most polls show corzine is up by two or three or even. corzine reframed christie's
candidacy in the eyes of many voters. christie ran on a ethics platform. >> we're going to have chris christie on "morning joe" on wednesday. >> is he an anti-tax figure siphoning off votes from christie? >> it looks that way. chris dagget has been popular because he is not jon corzine or chris christie, and the ledger came out and endorsed him. he had a great performance in the october debate. he is pulling votes from the christie column because he is not running on a fiscal conservative platform, and cutting property taxes.
>> and had he worked for republicans? >> he had been republican, but he is a new jersey kind of republican. he came out in favor of legalizing medical marijuana, and those issues play well in new jersey. that's a fiscal, conservative moderation. >> this does have ramifications in a larger picture? >> outside new jersey, if christie won, that would be a big blow to the white house. new jersey has 600,000 more registered democrats. and so if christie came out on top, it would mean a couple things. gabe, thank you so much. coming up next, the
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let's go to las vegas. and then washington, d.c., home of nobel laureate, barack obama. and you are looking good this morning, pittsburgh. and then back on home to new york city. that's the harbor cam shooting from that area. and then back to new york city. >> we're going to -- the topics today could not be here diverse. we have an exclusive interview with rush limbaugh. we will have that coming up for you this morning. it's fascinating. and pat buchanan is in washington. and joining us we have david ignatius, who is in washington, as well as my father,
brzezinski. and we are talking about how we treat pakistan is important and how much trust should we put in that relationship as well. we'll ask him. first, a quick look at the news. the violence continues this morning in pakistan where at least 41 people were killed in a suicide explosion. it come the same day the taliban claims responsibility for the dead deadly siege in deadly bombings. and then the u.n. secretary general for afghanistan is acknowledging vote rigging but denies trying to cover it up. in an nbc exclusive,
secretary clinton sat down with ann curry over the weekend to discuss her role in the administration and what may lie ahead. >> i can't help but think nine months into this administration, having campaigned so fiercely to be president yourself, that there can't be moments for you where you wish you could make the decisions yourself? >> i have to tell you, it never crosses my mind? >> never? >> no, not at all. i am part of the team that makes the decisions. >> will you ever run for president again? >> no. >> no? >> no, no. this is a great job. it's a 24/7 job, and i am looking forward to retirement at some point. >> that's a great interview, and we'll have to watch more of that. and with us now, the author of "the increment," david ignatius.
misunderstanding of pakistan, and american demeaning actions towards pakistan is center stage, exactly the opposite we want to see now. i just have been there and i have seen the pakistanis are trying after years of fumbling and not getting it right, they are trying now to take the offensive against the taliban. they had a big offensive in the summer, and they are ready to launch an offensive navy this week, in a safe haven for bin laden. ex then congress passes a bill, and they are physically doing this in front of our eyes. we are going to certify they are not offering bases for al qaeda. and rather than help us and
thank us for what we are doing, we have conditions. i just find it sad. i think congress has to ratchet back on its finger wagging mode intel in telling people what to do. the counter terrorism tension in the white house right now, where do you fall as they are trying to find the right approach? how will that impact what we are doing in pakistan? >> you are asking the right questions. the white house right now is going through a review trying to decide what is our mission. the statement of afghanistan and pakistan policy back in march straddled the counter insurgency, which is a broad program that we speak of nation building and protecting the population, and counter terrorism where we will zap the
few people that can kill us. policy has a narrow definition but broad means. and the consensus emerging in the last several days, in some way it merges the two. and our primary focus will be in stopping al qaeda, that hit our cities and killed our people, but we understand that we have to go after the ground in which al qaeda could live. that requires some prepare. i would think there would be some additional troops. i don't know if it will get up to 40,000. that would be my guess. >> pat buchanan? >> dr. brzezinski, what do you think the impact is on the american public when they say should we maintain the present level of troops or change strategy, did we make a mistake, or should we get out or send in more troops? what is the impact on the united
states? >> i take it that that's a leading question, isn't it. hi, david, by the way. good to be you. it's perplexed. i don't see how we can conduct a policy, a painful issue without some national discussion on the subject on the president taking his time to make a solid decision. that's unavoidable. i think we have to be sensitive to the feelings of the other people. when we talk to the pakistanis, the way congress has, and david ignatius is right, it's patronizing and stupid and may be malishious in some cases. as we are beginning to move into negotiations that congress is passing, all sorts of
resolutions and demands, etc., which interfere with the process and maybe even designed to abort the process in some cases. we have to be alert to the fact that congress is not being helpful in the making of foreign policy. as far as afghanistan is concerned, all of this talk -- we talked about this before david came on, about corruption, corruption, corruption, and that's not constructive unless we know what alternatives we have, and we don't have, actually, any real alternatives. >> let's do a game of rapid fire. ig nati is there one that is the best when it comes to dealing here, is there a good option. david ignatius, you go first. >> i think that it's an over ambitious goal, and i would trim
the goal back some. mcchrystal, minus some. >> doctor brzezinski? >> i would say mccrystal minus minus. and that's to say the counter insurgency is important, but it should not be the definition of the our role in afghanistan. i think it has to be more comprehensive, and political, economic, financial and mill tree, but the war has to be won by the afghans. >> pat buchanan? >> i will go with biden, plus. i think to put 40 or 60,000 troops will start us down a road the end of which i cannot see, except it will end in more casualties. i don't see an out come that will be different than basically what we are looking at right now. >> and this is a question for david. you seem to be easy on the pakistani military and intelligence services. what about the fact that they have been known to be complicit with the other side? >> they have a history of --
let's be honest. they helped founded some of the groups that they were part of the founding of the taliban. we encouraged them to do that, and that was policy in getting soviets out of afghanistan. and the same is the group that attacked mumbai. and pakistan, over the last couple years, as i watched them, moved towards a tougher policy, and pakistanis at the top level of the government says these people threatened the way we want to be. this is a fighting army. they took a lot of casualties, and so i think we have to respect them as allies, that they are coming a fighting army, and their population likes them being out there. there is a history we are working through. and the idea that you use this as public embarrassment as a
forum, i don't get that. >> any implications for iraq and our policies there? >> no, i would say afghanistan has implications for afghanistan. and i think we need to be respectful of the afghanistans. we need to give them some strategic assurance that we respect their interests in afghanistan, because they are worried this is their backyard and it could turn against them if things went badly. >> what landscape for this president. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. gentlemen, thanks. coming up, rush limbaugh in his very own words.
>> you are ruining the republican party. okay, your turn. >> oh, you are through? we will play the interview with the controversial talk show host. also, obama's nobel peace prize premature. first, we will look at the forecast. we are looking at the heavy rain from alabama. for all of our friends waking up on the west coast, the big buzz is the storm coming tonight and into tomorrow. high wind warnings issued for san francisco and even sacramento will get nailed by the storm. possibly the biggest storm we have seen in san francisco in
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argue these days he has become an inflew welltion political player, in terms of the conversation, if you like that kind of conversation. rush limbaugh doesn't normally like to give interviews, but he was convinced to sit down after his show last week in palm beach. >> are you the leader of the republican party? >> i am not and don't want to be the leader of the republican party. these people think they can discredit the republican party by making me the head of it. all they are doing is elevating me. it's silly for them. it's creating more popularity for me. lord, thank you for my enemieen. >> barack obama has the inside trek on becoming the worst president in the nation's history. >> out spoken. >> it's the democrats that always politicized more. >> always making headlines.
>> obama gives speeches trashing his own country, and he gets a prize for it. and this is a greater embarrassment than losing the olympics bid was. >> political attacks. >> i want barack obama to fail. >> but sometimes it's been his personal life. married and divorced three times, in 2001, he lost his hearing and now wears cochlear implants. he went through rehab for prescription pain killers. >> following this broadcast, i will check myself in the treatment center for the next 30 days. but these days, he is dating and lost 30 pounds, and signed a new contract reported to be worth $400 million. it's good to be rush. >> i can tell you every year has been better than the year before. i have never been happier than i
am right now. >> reporter: but the road to success was not easy. the son of a prominent family of lawyers and judges, rush did not fit in. >> i started being interested in radio when i was 8 years old, i hated school. second grade or whatever it was, i despised it. i wanted to be on the radio having fun. >> reporter: his father did not approve and forced him to go to college. after a year, rush dropped out and bounced from job to job. >> i got fired seven or eight times. i lost count. >> finally, in 1988, he got his break, and ever since then, it's the world according to rush. he is taking on liberals. and knocking feminists. >> for awful these years, the fem nazis, have been beating up women in this country. >> and reporters.
>> journalism is dead as we have known it. >> and of course the favorite target is the president of the us. america will succeed had he admits his policies has failed. >> were you moved to see an african-american elected? >> yeah, his skin color doesn't matter, but his policies do. the historic thing was great, but i predicted to you it would exacerbate racial problems, and it has. any criticism of president obama is going to be said that it's racism. and i opposed when hillary clinton and bill were trying to do it, and they were not black. i think his economic policies are -- i think he is shepherding the decline, and not observing
it. >> is there anything good he has done? >> maybe. i can't think of it, but let's see. >> anything good that you would say about him n? >> he has a great voice. reads a teleprompter like nobody i have ever seen read a teleprompter. i am dazled by that. >> you caused a firestorm before he was inaugurated by saying the four words. >> i hope he fails. >> yeah, and just recently when you are gloeting that obama did not get the olympics. your critics, are -- >> impotent and powerless.
it's like shooting a battle ship with bbs. >> your critics say it's unpatriotic. >> it's the opposite. >> because? >> every critic knew and knows exactly what i meant. they are taking this as another opportunity to say, oh, lirush limbaugh wants america to fail. and that's bs. and perhaps a more politically correct way to say this, i don't want obama to run wall street or the automobile industry. >> why didn't you just say it that way? >> i do every day. i say that every day. when i say i hope he fails it's to tweak the media. i know how to do it. i know how to make them spend the next two days talking about
me. >> rush's brand of stock pile also takes everybody talking. like this comment about barney frank, who is openly ga. >> he's the dancing queen. >> and this one about barack obama. rush said it was inspired by a column in the la times, writen by an african-american. critics say they are offensive, and rush is unrepenant. when your critics say they are racists or homophobic? >> no. >> are you a racist? >> no, are you? >> are you a homophobic? >> no.
>> well then good. we're both clear. >> do you think you ever cross a line? >> do i cross a line? 15 hours a week, no script, and no guests, some phone calls thrown in, and anybody that does that is going to say some things, oh, i shouldn't say that, and you come back and apologize for it. >> these days rush's biggest critics are other republicans? >> somebody called you kryptonite for the republican party. if rush limbaugh defines the republican politics, moderates say they will never be able to attract the moderates and the independents and the women to win national elections. they say you are ruining the republican party. okay, your turn. >> oh, you are through? the republican party nominated
the idea, the perfect mr. republican candidate in 2008, john mccain. he was the guy that was going to get the moderates. he was going to get the independents. he was going to walk across the aisle and could work with the democrats. and the republicans got slacked. the republican party wins with the conservative, and it's going to continue to lose until it relieses that. >> you scare republican politicians, and i mean, gop chairman, michael steele said you were just an entertainer and you were divisive. >> that's right. >> you went after him. i have never seen anybody apologize quite so quickly? >> you have to ask him why i
apologized. the reason i went after him is not because he said something about me, but he is off message. he should be planning a way to get republicans in. >> i will accept the premise of your question. should a talk show host have that kind of power? i believe in the free market. if the premarket creates that, with my participation in it, that's what it is. >> i hate to ruin your representation, but off camera, you are polite and courteous, and you have old-fashioned manners. >> absolutely. >> what happens when that microphone goes on? >> i am the same guy. >> our president, barack hussein obama -- >> i am one of the most fun-loving outgoing guys. i am not an actor. >> how much is entertainment and
how much do you believe? >> i believe everything. but there is satire. one thing that i do that you won't find anywhere else in the media, i combine two different element, humor with serious kau m commentary. i am not controversial. >> you are not controversial ? o >> no. i say nothing that shocking, i just don't have the fears, i am acommunicator and broadcaster. >> no apologies? >> no, of course not. very interesting. worth watching. everybody can make their own decision about this. that was "today," conducting a
great interview. thank you, jamie. we will be back with an author that has strong opinions about president obama's nobel prize. was it too much too soon? how would he say it? keep it here on "morning joe." , so my mom decided to give them ours. it's the piano her dad gave her when she was a little girl. she loved it so much. i don't know why she was so happy to give it away.
fired two short-range missiles off its eastern coast. it comes after there was a 10-day no sail zone off the apparently seaboard in an apparent sign it was planning the tests. and then there is still a unreliable system for tracking foreign visitors. 3 million foreign visitors entered the u.s. with temporarily visas last year and never officially checked out. and the u.s. is on the path towards economic recovery. summers points to the stabilizing financial markets as proof. the nation stepped back from what he calls an economic abyss. coming up next, we'll check in with author, christopher hitchins, and our political round table will touch on the comment by larry summers. let's get some of the data out
it's hard for me to be objective about this because i was so disappointed. i was up thursday morning, because i thought the phone my ring. pundits for peace. president obama and i have done the same thing about peace, i would think. >> he was talking about barack obama's getting the nobel peace prize. and with us, christopher hitchins, the author of "god is not great," and we'll talk about that at another time. but he writes this.
good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> good. i think the translation was he did not deserve it? >> you call it the first virtual award. why? >> it would be giving somebody an oscar in hopes that it would encourage them to make a better motion picture. for example, viewing what i wrote, it's probably a pity that president was woken up with the news, except to say, gee whiz.
he should have said i do appreciate the honor, but wait until i do something. i think that would have been a way to make everybody feel more confident that they do that he is a serious guy. but to look moist and say this is terrific, and i will maybe try harder, it's insipit to a terrible degree. >> i don't think he did that. did he do that, andy? >> well, has anybody turned down one of these prices before? >> christopher, if you don't mind. >> i am andy, and not particularly particular. but go ahead. >> fine. >> now, i lost your thread. >> nobody turned down a peace prize, no. oddly enough, there were years in the war when it was not awarded, you would think they
would be looking harder for peace. and also as a prize, it's over rated. it has gone to a lot of people that did not deserve it. there is a strong argument saying passivism doesn't bring about peace. >> christopher, i am -- >> ma'am. >> i am wondering if you think really the president was -- i think that he was quite humble in his acceptance of it? >> well, i considered it bashful, and perhaps i should have been less frivolous. i think he should have said he wanted to be reconsidered when he has done something to earn a prize. >> he is going to accept it, we
understand, and how can he turn it into a good thing? >> well, you are supposed to make a speech about peace. some of them are worth reading and most are not. mother teresa, she never did anything or said anything about peace, and now the worse threat to world pieeace was abortion, d you should have seen the audience' faces. >> pat buchanan, i wonder if you think there are opportunities at this point for president obama or has he missed it? perhaps he could have turned it down, and that would have been a most statesman like act? >> well, i don't know if one guy turned it down. but i think that obama has accepted it, the best thing he
can do is go there and layout his agenda. but the problem is this puts a certain amount of moral pressure on him to go along with the program, which i think probably is a terribly realistic one in this world? >> i should have pointed out, i don't think he declined it, but he did say when he refused to go, it was absurd to give a peace prize -- there was a prize given to arafat. >> yoslin stated the prize was just to enhance the president's standing, not unlikebachev
gorbachev? >> well, it was in 1917 where he was garlanded among other things as man of the year, for ending the cold war in central eastern europe. that was not a matter of enhancement but recognition, something he did. same case with gorbachev, after he made peace with reagan. and there was nothing more to award him for. he was not saying keep it up. it was recognition that he had already done concretely done. this is nothing like that. they said we just like him for
not being george bush. the same motive they gave when they awarded it to carty -- carter. it's political. they shouldn't say it's not. >> christopher, because of go, is there any redeeming reason why this president should have been awarding the prize? we have guests on who think he should have won it and it's a good thing. in your mind is there any reason he should have won it? >> i am not hostile to the president, and i cannot conjure one up. what has he done? >> changed the attitude towards america. and enhanced our reputation around the world in a mere nine months. i would also argue when i first heard word -- >> that's a virtual prize, then.
it's a prize for affect, not for effect. > here is, sir, the peace prize at a time of war for you. and up next, secretary of state hillary clinton, we will play part of her exclusive interview next in our political round table. christopher hitchins, stay with us. in other premature awards this week, high school football player, billy reynolds has been named the heisman trophy winner. (announcer) when you need it fast.
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morning urging northern ireland to take the final step in the peace project. it comes ahead of her visit to moscow where iran's nuclear program will likely take center stage. and in an nbc exclusive, ann curry sat down with hillary clinton. >> what do you say about people thinking the highest ranking woman in the united states having to fight against being marginaliz marginalized? >> i finds it beyond any realistic assessment of what i am doing every day. i think there is such a -- you know, maybe there is misunderstanding that needs to be clarified. i believe in delegating power. i am not one of these people that feel like i have to have my face in the front of the newspaper or on the tv every moment of the day.
i would be irresponsible and negligent if i were to say, oh, no, everything must come to me. maybe i am totally secure and feel no need to go running around for people to see what i am doing. it's just the way i am. my goal is to be a very positive force to implement the kind of changes that the president and i believe are in the best interest of our country. but that doesn't mean that it all has to be me, me, me all the time. i like lifting people up. >> i think that's a pretty fair answer. well, they have a team there that is very diverse, but they also have a diverse number of problems to deal with. is hillary clinton's answer fair? >> i find her to be a very empowered secretary of state. i think that she is constantly working, and going around the globe and meeting with heads of state. i agree with what she says? >> let's go around the table here. pat buchanan, is hillary clinton
fighting being march july nullized? >> you have her husband and richardson in north korea. she clearly is not john foster dulles, or dean achinson, and i don't think that she is the central player in foreign policy. it's a very valid question. i think she has been very loyal. i think she is a good spokesman and voice, but i don't think she is decisive at all. >> christopher hitchins, what do you think of her answer? is she not the top diplomat? >> well, she is the secretary of state, the top diplomat. that's not an answer to the question. you can't expect her to say anything but no.
i think she was succeeding in bringing rationale to turkey, and that's one of the most difficult and dangerous relationships in the consem. she must feel like she is not the person the president talks to first on the foreign relations. >> and that also includes joe biden, who has quite a resume? >> yeah, he does. he has travelled around the world. obviously he is a big player in the afghan decision. he is one-half of the debate you might say, and general mcchrystal is on the other. i don't know what the secretary of state's position is other
that she tends to agree with mcchrystal. >> isn't this a strength and not a weakness? mika, you listed all of the impressive people in the administration. thank goodness. who cares whether there is five people helping her out. it doesn't brother me or secretary clinton, so who cares? >> this doesn't bother me either, but people ask me whether she was the dominant force of foreign policy, and i would have to say no. >> fair enough. okay. we will continue the conversation coming up. pat buchanan in washington, we appreciate you doing the show with us this morning. we have one more question for you, and that would be up next, if we learned anything today. what, if anything, did we learn today? we'll be right back.
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